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(Date Posted:08/28/2007 8:30 AM)

Sometimes, the mobs actually remove it themselves:8/28 23:12:43.835 Lady Keira Berrybuck casts Cleanse on Baron Rafe Dreuger. 8/28 23:12:43.835 Baroness Dorothea Millstipe gains Shadowform. 8/28 23:12:43.835 Axten gains 36 Mana from Axten's Spiritual Attunement. 8/28 23:12:43.835 Baron Rafe Dreuger's Freezing Trap Effect is removed by Lady Keira Berrybuck's Cleanse. 8/28 23:12:43.835 Moroes misses Axten. 8/28 23:12:44.225 Freezing Trap Effect fades from Baron Rafe Dreuger.Sometimes, players use AE effects when they shouldn't:(example 1)8/28 22:48:57.858 Baron Rafe Dreuger is afflicted by Freezing Trap Effect.8/28 22:49:06.675 Baron Rafe Dreuger's Freezing Trap Effect is removed by Bouncinbetty's Whirlwind. 8/28 22:49:06.675 Bouncinbetty's Whirlwind crits Baron Rafe Dreuger for 856. 8/28 22:49:06.675 Bouncinbetty's Whirlwind crits Moroes for 830. 8/28 22:49:06.675 Axten gains 1 extra attack through Reckoning. 8/28 22:49:06.675 Axten hits Moroes for 126. (glancing) 8/28 22:49:06.938 Tiggs hits Lady Keira Berrybuck for 153. 8/28 22:49:06.938 Lady Keira Berrybuck is afflicted by Fire Vulnerability (3). 8/28 22:49:06.938 Freezing Trap Effect fades from Baron Rafe Dreuger.(example 2)8/28 22:58:56.465 Lord Robin Daris's Shackle Undead is removed by Axten. 8/28 22:58:56.465 Axten's Seal of Righteousness hits Lord Robin Daris for 58 Holy damage. 8/28 22:58:56.465 Shark's Sinister Strike crits Lady Keira Berrybuck for 883. 8/28 22:58:56.465 Tiggs crits Lady Keira Berrybuck for 339. 8/28 22:58:56.465 Shark hits Lady Keira Berrybuck for 161. 8/28 22:58:56.729 Rigs's Arcane Missiles crits Lady Keira Berrybuck for 1281 Arcane damage. 8/28 22:58:56.729 Axten gains 373 health from Kamell's Regrowth. 8/28 22:58:56.729 Bouncinbetty attacks. Moroes parries. 8/28 22:58:56.970 Shackle Undead fades from Lord Robin Daris.Sometimes, players mistarget (like ME!)8/28 23:04:09.346 Lord Robin Daris's Shackle Undead is removed by Ytram's Auto Shot. 8/28 23:04:09.346 Your Auto Shot hits Lord Robin Daris for 470. 8/28 23:04:09.346 Moroes hits Bouncinbetty for 4614. (crushing) 8/28 23:04:09.346 Tiggs hits Lady Keira Berrybuck for 146. 8/28 23:04:09.346 Shackle Undead fades from Lord Robin Daris.Sometimes, they just plain resist8/28 23:04:01.222 Vilil's Shackle Undead was resisted by Lord Robin Daris.

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(Date Posted:08/28/2007 6:00 PM)

One thing to consider too, it that a Holy priest is going to have a high resist rate compared to a shadow priest. Typical Holy gear sets focus on plus healing and plus MP5 at the expense of spell hit.

I see BB using an AE effect, this is a no no in any CC based fight. Players need to know which attacks are AE and when to avoid them. This particularly applies to Warriors and Rogues.

The Mob that is cleansing, is why that mob should either be shacked the entire fight (only reliable with a shadow priest), or should be killed first.

THe data Marty posted here is the raw data used to generat the WWS charts I usually post.

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(Date Posted:08/28/2007 9:40 PM)

Its amazing how much you learn when you are leading raids, rather than just attending them.  It really shows you how much you don't know.  So does a careful review of combat logs.  I want to be a better raid leader, and leading Green Group has taught me a lot.  Zez, I emailed the raw logs to you for posting whenever you can get to it.

Some new stuff I learned last night:

1.  Shadow Priests are better at shackling than Holy Priests.  I didn't know that.

2.  You need 3 forms of CC for the Moroes fight, because someone has to shackle the 2nd dps target while we are killing the 1st.  We only had two (me and Vilil), which made for some real problems.  Kudos to Khadra and Axten for the fears.

3.  The "best practice" for paladins during the Maiden fight is to have the paladin responsible ONLY for two things:  Blessing of Sacrifice and Cleansing.  We tried having both Vilil and Khadra on cleanses and heals, and it worked very poorly.  When we corrected it, we got the fight done.

Thanks to the patience and "stick-to-it-ive-ness" of everyone last night, we were still able to get 3 bosses down in roughly 2.5 hours.  There is no reason at all why we can't do at least Opera and Curator on Sunday night, assuming good participation.

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